been asked about prop firms a lot lately.
here’s my honest take for algo traders specifically.
my situation #
why i don’t use prop firms:
inherited $2M.
don’t need their capital.
don’t want their rules.
but if i didn’t have capital…
prop firms would be worth considering.
especially for algo trading.
the prop firm area 2025 #
major players:
- apex trader funding
- topstep
- oneup trader
- leeloo trading
- bulenox
what they offer:
pass evaluation → get funded account
keep 80-90% of profits
their capital, your strategy
algo trading compatibility #
the challenge:
most prop firms designed for discretionary traders.
rules often conflict with algo execution.
key rule issues:
- news trading restrictions
many ban trading around major releases.
algos often run 24/7.
conflict.
- daily loss limits
typical: 2-3% daily max
algos can hit this in volatile sessions.
- position limits
many cap contracts/shares.
limits scaling.
- trailing drawdown
some use trailing max drawdown.
algos hate this (compounds risk).
which firms work for algos #
apex trader funding:
evaluation: $147/month for $50k account
profit split: 90%
algo-friendly: YES (explicitly allows)
daily loss limit: $2,500 on $50k
pros:
- allows automated trading
- reasonable rules
- fast payouts
cons:
- trailing drawdown
- need to pass evaluation first
topstep:
evaluation: $165/month for $50k account
profit split: 90%
algo-friendly: CONDITIONAL (must notify)
daily loss limit: $1,000 on $50k
pros:
- established reputation
- good support
cons:
- tighter daily limits
- must inform about algo use
- may reject certain strategies
oneup trader:
evaluation: $125/month for $50k account
profit split: 90%
algo-friendly: YES
daily loss limit: $1,100 on $50k
pros:
- allows full automation
- competitive pricing
- no trailing drawdown
cons:
- newer than others
- less track record
my recommendation framework #
use prop firm if:
- capital under $50k
- profitable backtest (1+ year)
- live track record (3+ months)
- can handle rule constraints
don’t use prop firm if:
- capital over $100k (use your own)
- strategies require high take advantage of
- can’t handle daily loss limits
- need full automation freedom
evaluation strategy for algos #
approach i’d use:
-
reduce position size 50% during evaluation
evaluation is about passing, not maximizing.
conservative > aggressive.
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add circuit breakers matching firm rules
stop trading if approaching daily limit.
resume next day.
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avoid news events if restricted
pause algo during scheduled releases.
resume after.
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track metrics firm cares about
max drawdown.
daily P&L.
winning percentage.
the math #
example: $50k apex evaluation
evaluation cost: $147/month
typical pass rate: ~15% (industry estimate)
expected cost to pass: $147 × 6 months = $882
funded account profit potential: $5k-$15k/year (conservative)
ROI: positive if you’re actually profitable
reality check:
most people fail.
but most people aren’t running backtested algos.
algo traders have edge in evaluations.
code for prop firm rules #
class PropFirmRiskManager:
def __init__(
self,
daily_loss_limit: float,
max_drawdown: float,
trailing_drawdown: bool = False
):
self.daily_loss_limit = daily_loss_limit
self.max_drawdown = max_drawdown
self.trailing_drawdown = trailing_drawdown
self.daily_pnl = 0.0
self.peak_balance = 0.0
self.current_balance = 0.0
def update(self, pnl: float, balance: float):
self.daily_pnl += pnl
self.current_balance = balance
if self.trailing_drawdown:
self.peak_balance = max(self.peak_balance, balance)
def can_trade(self) -> tuple[bool, str]:
# daily loss check
if self.daily_pnl <= -self.daily_loss_limit:
return False, "daily_limit_hit"
# drawdown check
if self.trailing_drawdown:
current_dd = (self.peak_balance - self.current_balance) / self.peak_balance
if current_dd >= self.max_drawdown:
return False, "max_drawdown_hit"
return True, "ok"
def reset_daily(self):
self.daily_pnl = 0.0
community insights #
the NexusFi funded trader discussion has good real-world experiences from traders who’ve passed evaluations and gotten funded. worth reading before committing money.
also check the funded trader platforms thread for current 2024-2025 comparisons.
my verdict #
prop firms for algo traders:
rating: 7/10
good for:
- undercapitalized algo traders
- strategy validation with real risk
- scaling without personal capital
bad for:
- strategies needing full flexibility
- high-frequency approaches
- anyone with sufficient capital
if i were starting over with $10k:
i’d run my algo on paper for 6 months.
then take apex or oneup evaluation.
use prop capital to scale to $50k+.
then transition to own capital as profits allow.
tonight (june 20, 2:38am) #
prop firm guide for algo traders. major players: apex (most algo-friendly), topstep (conditional), oneup (good alternative). key challenges: daily loss limits, trailing drawdown, news restrictions. recommendation: use if under $50k capital, profitable backtest, can handle rules. avoid if over $100k or need full flexibility. evaluation strategy: 50% position size, add circuit breakers, avoid restricted events. math works if actually profitable. algo traders have edge in evaluations vs discretionary.
2:38am friday. prop firm evaluation guide for algo traders. apex most algo-friendly (90% split, allows automation). topstep conditional (must notify). oneup good alternative (no trailing DD). key: reduce size 50% during eval, add circuit breakers matching rules, avoid news if restricted. math: $882 avg cost to pass, $5k-15k/year potential. use if undercapitalized, avoid if over $100k or need flexibility. algo traders have edge.
-AK